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	<description>Welcome to the official site of India Drummond - urban fantasy, sci-fi, and romance author. Ordinary Angels, her debut novel, comes out April 2011!</description>
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		<title>By: Cora Zane</title>
		<link>http://www.indiadrummond.com/2009/04/18/round-up/comment-page-1/#comment-1067</link>
		<dc:creator>Cora Zane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 14:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has been a busy writing week. Thanks for capturing all the important nuts and bolts in your post; I missed some of these.

I had no idea there are two spaces after a period in some countries. In grade school here, it was two spaces after a question mark and one after a period. I&#039;ve since been with a publisher who tells you no 2nd spaces after the q-mark anymore. Wow! Times, they are a&#039;changing...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has been a busy writing week. Thanks for capturing all the important nuts and bolts in your post; I missed some of these.</p>
<p>I had no idea there are two spaces after a period in some countries. In grade school here, it was two spaces after a question mark and one after a period. I&#8217;ve since been with a publisher who tells you no 2nd spaces after the q-mark anymore. Wow! Times, they are a&#8217;changing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jodi Meadows</title>
		<link>http://www.indiadrummond.com/2009/04/18/round-up/comment-page-1/#comment-1066</link>
		<dc:creator>Jodi Meadows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 14:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for linking, Nixy. :) I hadn&#039;t seen Moonrat&#039;s post, or the BookEnds one, so thanks.

The one/two space debate has been quietly raging for years now, though most people just let it go whichever way you&#039;re comfortable with. If you can&#039;t train yourself out of it, you can always do a search and replace when you&#039;re done. In the find, box, put two spaces -  - and in the replace box, just one - -. You may have to click &quot;replace all&quot; a few times to make sure it takes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for linking, Nixy. <img src='http://www.indiadrummond.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I hadn&#8217;t seen Moonrat&#8217;s post, or the BookEnds one, so thanks.</p>
<p>The one/two space debate has been quietly raging for years now, though most people just let it go whichever way you&#8217;re comfortable with. If you can&#8217;t train yourself out of it, you can always do a search and replace when you&#8217;re done. In the find, box, put two spaces &#8211;  &#8211; and in the replace box, just one &#8211; -. You may have to click &#8220;replace all&#8221; a few times to make sure it takes.</p>
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		<title>By: Jackie Doss</title>
		<link>http://www.indiadrummond.com/2009/04/18/round-up/comment-page-1/#comment-1065</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackie Doss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 13:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of these writerly posts just left me shaking in the corner. As an amateur, reading about how to not get published, what the publishing business should or should not be, etc., made me understand why my friend Jennifer, in her drinking days, had to be drunk to write a query letter. And to think, I&#039;m encouraging her to jump into this madness!

But, in the end, good writers will write. They have to. They can&#039;t help it. And I&#039;m ever hopeful that creativity will not be killed by publishing practices. After all, we read Edgar Allen Poe and Sir Arthur Conan Doyle in literature classes, dont&#039; we? Both despised the demands of writing popular literature, but somehow they managed to adapt by wrapping their literary geniuses around the status quo and write for the ages.

As for the one space after a period -- Those of us who&#039;ve worked in layout/desktop publishing have known it for a long time. Ever since wordprocessing has been around, we&#039;ve been doing the find/replace on &quot;space space&quot; and tightening up everyone else&#039;s copy. A period has a space and a half built in behind it. So putting two spaces makes it even bigger than two spaces behind a typewriter&#039;s monospaced text. Yikes!

Now, imagine if you will, a time when a writer wrote longhand, gave it to a typist, made copies, and mailed them in to agents and publishers with no opportunity for last-second editing. It was a lot more trouble back then, so fewer people did it. Now everyone who owns a computer thinks they&#039;re a writer, so the slush pile must be tremendous!

Agents/editors expect perfectly edited copy the first time, and they expect writers to be able to write well enough to sell themselves in a query letter. Unfortunately, there&#039;s more to a query letter than just writing. Writers must also know how to market themselves. I can understand how this would be frustrating to writers who just want to WRITE a masterpiece and have it discovered and marketed for them so they can go back in their cave and write some more.

Times have changed. Remember when every middle manager had a secretary? Now they have a computer and are expected everything themselves. We all have to adapt to the changes in society and business. It&#039;s as simple as that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of these writerly posts just left me shaking in the corner. As an amateur, reading about how to not get published, what the publishing business should or should not be, etc., made me understand why my friend Jennifer, in her drinking days, had to be drunk to write a query letter. And to think, I&#8217;m encouraging her to jump into this madness!</p>
<p>But, in the end, good writers will write. They have to. They can&#8217;t help it. And I&#8217;m ever hopeful that creativity will not be killed by publishing practices. After all, we read Edgar Allen Poe and Sir Arthur Conan Doyle in literature classes, dont&#8217; we? Both despised the demands of writing popular literature, but somehow they managed to adapt by wrapping their literary geniuses around the status quo and write for the ages.</p>
<p>As for the one space after a period &#8212; Those of us who&#8217;ve worked in layout/desktop publishing have known it for a long time. Ever since wordprocessing has been around, we&#8217;ve been doing the find/replace on &#8220;space space&#8221; and tightening up everyone else&#8217;s copy. A period has a space and a half built in behind it. So putting two spaces makes it even bigger than two spaces behind a typewriter&#8217;s monospaced text. Yikes!</p>
<p>Now, imagine if you will, a time when a writer wrote longhand, gave it to a typist, made copies, and mailed them in to agents and publishers with no opportunity for last-second editing. It was a lot more trouble back then, so fewer people did it. Now everyone who owns a computer thinks they&#8217;re a writer, so the slush pile must be tremendous!</p>
<p>Agents/editors expect perfectly edited copy the first time, and they expect writers to be able to write well enough to sell themselves in a query letter. Unfortunately, there&#8217;s more to a query letter than just writing. Writers must also know how to market themselves. I can understand how this would be frustrating to writers who just want to WRITE a masterpiece and have it discovered and marketed for them so they can go back in their cave and write some more.</p>
<p>Times have changed. Remember when every middle manager had a secretary? Now they have a computer and are expected everything themselves. We all have to adapt to the changes in society and business. It&#8217;s as simple as that.</p>
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		<title>By: Nixy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nixy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 10:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gunnar, there&#039;s an interesting post on Wikipedia about the conventions for spacing and how they evolved: http://tinyurl.com/cwkb8q

Also the Chicago Manual of Style, which is the grammar Bible for American English has an FAQ on the subject: http://tinyurl.com/5jyl26</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gunnar, there&#8217;s an interesting post on Wikipedia about the conventions for spacing and how they evolved: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/cwkb8q" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/cwkb8q</a></p>
<p>Also the Chicago Manual of Style, which is the grammar Bible for American English has an FAQ on the subject: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/5jyl26" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/5jyl26</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gunnar Helliesen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gunnar Helliesen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 09:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is double-spacing an anglicism? I&#039;m Norwegian and never learned to do it. Nor can I remember seeing it in other Scandinavian or German texts.

Or maybe I have it backwards, and it&#039;s single-spacing that&#039;s germanic?

Thanks for an interesting and informative post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is double-spacing an anglicism? I&#8217;m Norwegian and never learned to do it. Nor can I remember seeing it in other Scandinavian or German texts.</p>
<p>Or maybe I have it backwards, and it&#8217;s single-spacing that&#8217;s germanic?</p>
<p>Thanks for an interesting and informative post!</p>
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		<title>By: tartanink</title>
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		<dc:creator>tartanink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 09:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I def have the two space habit. In fact when I was taught to type - on an old fashioned typewriter, we had to do: one space after a comma, two spaces after a semi-colon and THREE spaces after a full-stop.  Maybe soon we&#039;ll be going back to the Ancient Greek where they didn&#039;t bother to punctuate as it would only be the literati who would understand it, and  punctuate as they read.
Def lots to think about here, so I&#039;ll have to get back to the rest, but a great blog, thanks Nixy.
Pam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I def have the two space habit. In fact when I was taught to type &#8211; on an old fashioned typewriter, we had to do: one space after a comma, two spaces after a semi-colon and THREE spaces after a full-stop.  Maybe soon we&#8217;ll be going back to the Ancient Greek where they didn&#8217;t bother to punctuate as it would only be the literati who would understand it, and  punctuate as they read.<br />
Def lots to think about here, so I&#8217;ll have to get back to the rest, but a great blog, thanks Nixy.<br />
Pam</p>
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